Cloth Diapering

ray, pureen sales at pj (near the vitagen).. i bought the HAD liquid.. rm10.. 

i saw some pureen HAD at parkson, RM18. btw, i heard there's pureen warehouse sales coming up & normally its much cheaper there.

-happi

yes, i think the price can be around RM12-13 at that time....

jusco ou sells it at the kids/baby dept, you won't find them at the groceries/hypermarket dept...
as far as i need them, its always there on those shelves.

Thanks y'all.
Yea, I'd like to know what's the difference in Pureen ABD and HAD? Wah, use Fab also can?
I may have been mistaken (after reading so much), can we like reuse the pocket diaper and just change insert when it's wet? Or do you change the whole thing? Usually, how long does it take before you change? My DD is not a heavy wetter during the day.

Pureen ABD cant be used bcos of the Anti Bacterial substance -- i think ada enzyme whatsoever--
HAD is Hypoallergenic so it's basic and great for sensitive skin... thus suitable for CDs.
 
FAB or breeze etc can be used if it's the basic ones, not those with extra power, enzyem, whitening etc --
 
For pocket you have to change the whole thing.  It really depends on yur baby how often you change it.  If you leave it too long, might contract rashes.  HTH.
 
 

opss sorry.. local brand kan?, but china made...

kinda same like ittibitti .. aussie brand/design.. china made..

tapi tula, not sure yet about the durability.... i love lunatots but not sure when it will fall apart.. sooner? or later..?

have to remember, not all china made item are fair trade. QA? QC? labour rights?....

ive read sooo much about unfortunate human rights in china esp yg keje factory and mines. (bad enviroment, no kebajikan pekerja, work long hour, ambil children jd perkerja, payment/salary not fair with their work hour).

so, im veryyy particular about made in china things. just my personal point of view.

Respecting Chinese Workers' Rights Makes Moral And Economic Sense

Bob Baugh
June 1, 2004

China denies workers' rights

The petition amasses evidence from a variety of credible sources, including the State Department, the International Labor Organization, labor unions, human rights groups and academics that clearly shows: China Denies Freedom of Association and Rights of Collective Bargaining.
Independent unions are illegal in China and the government relentlessly represses attempts to organize unions independent of the government-controlled All-China Federation of Trade Unions (ACFTU). The ACFTU is officially and legally subservient the Communist Party. Workers who attempt to strike or organize independent unions are arrested, imprisoned, and sometimes beaten, and tortured. China Encourages Forced Labor
Many of the workers in China's export sector are temporary migrants from the countryside. Through the hukou system of internal passports, similar to the pass system in apartheid-era South Africa, factory workers are permanently registered to live in their rural villages, and have few civil or political rights when they work temporarily (for years) in factory towns. The migrants go into debt to the factories, paying owners to get a job, paying for work permits and so-called deposits that range up to one year's salary. Salaries are often withheld illegally for months at a time, and the factory takes their national ID cards. If they quit work, they lose this money or go into default on their debts. They are locked-in to their jobs. Many workers essentially become bonded laborers, a form of forced labor under international law. China Does Not Enforce Standards of Wages, Hours, and Occupational Safety and Health
Many manufacturers in China include multinational corporations that pay their workers much less than the minimum wage standards set by the central and provincial governments. Most manufacturers fail to implement Chinese standards of workplace safety and health. Government officials do not enforce standards of wages, hours, and safety and health. China's brutal denial of worker rights gives China an additional increment of cost advantage in its manufacturing sector. That increment is an illegitimate advantage under universal norms of human rights. And, it's illegitimate under U.S. trade law because an abused labor force creates the increment that rises over and above "natural" cost advantages.

Life as a Chinese factory worker

The factory workers are typically very young women from the countryside, sent by their parents into the factories, to supplement their family income. They live in cramped cement-block barracks, eight or twenty to a room. They often work 12- or 18-hour days, under abysmal conditions, with no day of rest for months at a time. Managers of major U.S. multinational corporations who produce their goods in Chinese factories, told ILO investigators-on condition of anonymity-that 80 percent of their contractors keep double or triple books, to hide the fact that they're not paying minimum wages, not paying overtime, and breaking China's maximum hour laws. The factory conditions are appalling. Chinese workers suffer the highest rates of industrial deaths and lost limbs from industrial accidents in the world. Chinese factory workers have little recourse against these abuses. If they complain, they'll be fired, lose the deposit they had to pay their employer, the wages withheld and risk being thrown in jail by the Public Security Forces (China's political police). These abusive conditions are so widespread they have spawned new terms like "goulaosi"-death by over working. Another one, "tiaolou xiu," which means jump-protestors, comes from the growing practice of China's factory workers to threaten and at times commit suicide over working conditions or simply to get the pay they've earned. One manager from Reebok, who is in charge of labor conditions throughout Asia, spoke openly about labor conditions in China. She said: "Who enforces Chinese labor law? Nobody. If it were enforced, China would be a much better place for millions of people to work in. But it is ignored more than in any other country I work in."

The burden on U.S. commerce

The Chinese government's failure to enforce its own labor laws and violations of a worker's right to organize their own unions and bargain collectively translates into an unfair cost advantage and artificially reduced prices. The AFL-CIO petition shows that China's violations of worker rights gives Chinese manufacturers a cost advantage ranging between 11 percent and 77 percent. Using conservative assumptions adapting the trade model used by the International Trade Commission, the petition estimates China's illegitimate cost advantage displaces as many as 727,000 jobs. Behind the raw job numbers lies a terrible economic and personal toll paid by American workers: power, wages, benefits and pensions; forfeited mortgages; and increase risk of heart disease, divorce, depression, and suicide.

China's manufacturing capacity

While U.S. manufacturing workers have faced catastrophic losses, China's manufacturing output, exports, and productive capacity have grown at unprecedented, accelerating rates-and are poised to grow even more explosively in the next five years. China already leads the world in the production of televisions, refrigerators, cameras, bicycles, motorbikes, desktop computers, computer cables and other components, microwave ovens, DVD players, cell phones, cigarette lighters, cotton textiles, and countless other manufactured products. But even while productivity rose rapidly in China in the last decade, the real wages of China's factory workers stagnated. China's workers can't bargain for higher wages because they lack basic worker rights and deserve freedom.

The U.S. must act

The President has 45 days from March 16, 2004, to decide whether to accept the petition and launch an investigation. If he denies the petition, he must state his reasons and declare either that China doesn't violate its workers' rights, or that China's violation of workers' rights has no adverse effect on U.S. jobs. Section 301 authorizes the President to take a broad range of actions within his Constitutional powers to enforce fair competition and protect worker rights overseas. The AFL-CIO petition identifies three actions the President should take to remedy China's persistent denial of worker rights: First, impose trade measures against China that are sufficiently large to induce China to enforce worker rights and to stop the unfair competition caused by China's violations. Second, negotiate an agreement with China, to phase out the trade measures in incremental steps, as China complies with benchmarks of compliance with worker rights-benchmarks that are specific, and verifiable by the International Labor Organization. Third, the President should refuse to enter into any new trade agreements under the auspices of the World Trade Organization, until that organization gives protection to workers fundamental rights that is equivalent to the protection given to the commercial interests.

To a better global economy

China's rapid emergence as a formidable trading partner while it carried out an egregious, pervasive and well documented system of abuse made the filing of the 301 petition a logical step in the AFL-CIO's ongoing campaign for the global economy that is fair to workers. In our view, the global economy should work for everyone, but it doesn't. Exploitation of human beings through repression of fundamental rights for economic gain is both morally repugnant and economically dangerous. People get hurt, it breeds resentment and it forces global standards down, not up. The bottom line is global rules should fairly enforce basic worker rights. To end a race to the bottom makes both moral and economic sense.

nowadays, many foreign company (from us, uk, sweden, etc) invest their biz in china by manufactured those item in china. thats why we can see lots of branded item with made in china label. these foreign company are trying their best to be part of CSR (company social responsibility) by practising fair trade and workers right issue.

thats why i dun mind buying made in china item provided these company is practising fair trade philosophy.

a bit complicated to undertsand and to write it here, but this is the common question people ask to me (what the diff of locally design-made in china cd vs us/uk design-made in china cd ?) if the locally design made in china cd can rest assured that the appointed manufacterer are practising fair trade .... then theres nothing wrong to buy and support those item.

without strict QA and QC , how we can rest assured that those appointed manufacturer in china is not polluitng the river/air? (producing cd requires chemical to make PUL, microfleece, microsuade and microfibre)

Am only on my 2nd box of Pureen HAD in 18 mths. It lasts forever! I could find it in Village Grocer.

joanne -- same here.  Our babies are about the same age -- coming to 18 mths.  I am also on my 2nd box of pureen HAD, about a quarter left.  And i started CDing during pantang on off, but after 2 mths it was CDs all the way, except during travelling.  It saves a lot, esp on detergent part.
:-D

owwhh

shida --
i think i get what u mean about made in china issue.

If i could make an analogy (not really good one tho) -- some cosmetics here are mass produced in Filipin, but labelled differently -- claiming founder of this n that.  Lots of these products can be found in mingguan wanita.. not all, but some yes.

Same thing with CD I guess.  The thing with IB and the likes -- it's their own design, only manufactured in china.  Not mass produced in China, then have them labelled here.

I dunno about Lunatots, though..  But I am glad of its quality and price anyway :-D

mamahannah - thanks for clarifying. Is pureen HAD powder/liquid? i haven't actually seen one xcept the ABD one, maybe not on the lookout. BTW, what's IB? Sorry-lah not too familiar with the CD lingo, just learning. What's your favorite CD and why?

HAD comes in liquid and powder...

I also want to sebok2 ... (eventhough u ask nita)....
my fav CD -for snaps, IttiBitti ... coz so trim...the fit is great....

also a fav, lunatots and GAD...

but mind u ... i havent tried out a lot of CD variety like the other sifus here.. :D

ray, pureen sales at pj (near the vitagen).. i bought the HAD liquid.. rm10.. 

-aziiemy

thanks aziiemy :) i'm definitely going, inshaa Allaah!

One U runs out pretty often. I only found (and bought) the liquid one although I prefer the powdered form. ABD is very available everywhere! Even in Guardian pharmacy.

I love BG :D Then again, I only have a few types, so Elly is more of a sifu than me. I'm an ikan bilis in the world of CD, coz I use lampin and also EC :)
Lunatots... may just try it out.
I don't know if Bumwear has done anything about their snaps, if they have, yay! If not, it's not very good for babies who are active, what more toddlers as the snaps come off often, so annoying!
BG BG BG and Bumcheeks.. i only have those ha ha. And LOTS of lampins :p

Pureen ABD cant be used bcos of the Anti Bacterial substance -- i think ada enzyme whatsoever.  

-mamahannah

ala..i pki ABD all the way..
cheh..kena tuka la nih..
adeh..

NO detergent for cd
-dynamo
-nappikleen
-pureen abd
-tollyjoy
-whatsoever brand yg claim ade brightener/antibacterial (contain enzyme)

YES detrgent for cd
-charlie soap (mahal weh)
-pureen HAD
-kiddiwash (not sure)
-soap yg dijual oleh cd seller (like tiny tapir..i tak ingat brand apa)

be coution with what kind of rash cream yg ua ll use.
-drapolene-NO
-earth mama angel baby -YES

kalau guna jugak drapolene, please lapik with fleece liner.

elllooo... long time no see u all (should be the other way round no? ;) )

want to ask u girls a few things:

1. from what i read, all CD mamas are using EMAB bottom balm for their baby. I bought a tub of Buds Baby Bum Balm (the organic range) recently. Is it CD-friendly?

2. anybody tried MyEcoNappy diapering system before? i'm interested with their bio-soakers. they're cheaper than Grobaby's . but never read any review on it. pls do share some testimonials!

thnx! *muahs!*

myeconappy inserts are the same as the bumgenius ones.

They are basic flat rectangles, the grobaby biosoakers are curved with inner gussets and elastic.

They're definitely cheap though!

for month saying i wanna try CD and finally last nite i put my DS to sleep with his new CD.some local CD call her CD Dyana CD bought from my fren.only bought 3pocket+2 insert each to try.a bit sceptical about it n this morning cant wait to see the result.my DS usually go to sleep around 8pm and only wakeup at 6/7am.so there's no diaper change in between.

and WOW i'm surprised.....dont feel lembab pun..kering laaa..then i thot eh dia takde pee ke sepnjg malam.keluarkan insert then baru feel ada basah..i'm  amazed woooo....usually if using dispose pg2 mmg penuh la...the i made up my mind to buy more....hehehehehe n my DH geleng kepala more money going out le this month..pelaburan jangka panjang takpe kannn......